Hi, sorry for not having discussed this sooner, I've been quite busy this past week. I just wanted to talk about the trivia I'm assuming you added about the Polity being a continuation of the UN. The reason I deleted that was because:
1) The headline reel in episode one very much implies that the UN still exists in some capacity. Otherwise, it would just say "Polity World Headquarters" or something like that.
2) Other than the Polity logo being on the building, there's no proof that the building is the Polity HQ. It could just signify that it's on Polity territory, under Polity protection or just owned by the Polity perhaps. It's hardly enough to be a "strong" indicator. As a result, it just feels and looks like speculation.
Hi! I could be wrong, but the Polity HQ complex in New York (whether regional, continental, or national) was strongly implied to be physically based in and around the UN Building. It's likely that it would have been still called the UN Building in 2068 despite the United Nations being long gone because it was such a landmark, along with the fact that the Polity would definitely be claiming to be the UN's direct successor (another reason why the loss of New York was such a body blow to the Polity, even without the likely loss of their President & other high ranking officials).
Again, a lot of this feels like speculation. Why would the Polity be for certain claiming to be the new United Nations, and where is any proof of that claim? Why would the Polity call the "building" the United Nations if the organisation doesn't exist? Why would it being a landmark stop them from changing it's name? After ten or so years, people would just get used to it.
The Polity as per the show's background is considered literally the last bastion of liberal democracy on the planet. Even before the rise of the Union and the outbreak of the war, democracy was apparently in serious decline everywhere outside the Polity's borders.
Especially against a background like that, the choice of the UN Building (note that the term informally refers to the present day UN complex as a whole) as the Polity's HQ would be highly symbolic for an organisation that claimed legitimacy in part as the direct successor of the United Nations. Also, what exterior and interior shots we get of the building/s during Pilot are consistent with a heavily updated complex serving as the Polity's Headquarters, in particular the Secretariat & General Assembly areas.
Even so, I just think there isn't enough evidence to say for sure, at least not enough to say that it's "strongly" implied. I just think it's more sensable to wait until we get more information about how the Polity works and its history as a state before we make statments like that.
Fine by me. Though it might be sometime before I can get back to you again. My internet connection is still randomly crashing and my ISP is frankly not of much help (the joys of privatisation and asset stripping, sigh).
Basically, Logic added a piece of trivia to the Polity oage saying that the Polity is "strongly implied" to be a descendent of the UN. I didn't agree since it felt like speculation that isn;t backed up enough in the show, and the rest is... well, just scoll up to see our respective arguments.
Okay, I think that for now, saying that the Polity is implied to be a descendant of the UN is a bit too speculative. If anything is found that backs up that idea then I will be happy to change it, but for now I'd say it's too speculative.
My point is that it could be a replacement for the UN without being a descendant of it. Once again, it not being a descendant of the UN is not certain, I simply feel it is more speculative to to state that it is.
How about this wording: "The Polity's Headquarters in New York was located in the old UN Building prior to the war, but it is currently unclear just how the Polity was related to this preceding organisation."
While I appreciate you adding to both of those articles, I had a few things that I want to point out. First of, your edits on Razzle's page, regarding where her kill markings are from, and the Spider Tank page, saying that it is likely capable of autonomous operation, are both rather speculative, and we try to keep speculation out of articles.
Secondly, in both cases you added the information, I removed it, and then you added it back in. When something that you added is removed, you are encouraged to message the person who removed it, rather than re- adding it, as this is considered edit warring, which is against site policy.
With regards as to the latter edit, I thought that bit of the sentence had been left out by accident during your prior edit. Sorry about that. With the former edit, I thought I had rewritten it to meet your concerns about going too far with speculation in that case? LogicEcho (talk) 18:31, April 1, 2019 (UTC)
EDIT: In case I was confusing (need more tea!) I meant Razzle in the first and Spider tank in the second. LogicEcho (talk) 18:34, April 1, 2019 (UTC)
I removed the edit on the Spider Tank page it because I hadn't seen any sign that it might be capable of autonomous operation, and we are trying to keep information that isn't supported by the show out of articles.
Fair enough. I would like to debate with you more on Razzle's combat experience but right now I need to grab a cup of tea before my brain fully shuts down! :) LogicEcho (talk) 19:04, April 1, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. One thing I noticed though was there seem to have been quite a few skirmishes/incidents, based on the number of kill markings that Razzle alone had. I wonder where her duty assignments were before the Anvil?